My S1 Sud Ti

[KevJTD]

yes, factory original seats lauren. original to this car actually hence why they're a bit thin in places...had them cleaned but still look a bit shaby. due to the delicate nature of the fabric the valeter daren't use anything strong cleaning solution wise or feared they'd fall to pieces!

carpet isn't an orignal S1 ti item though, should be more of a greay/charcoal colour. couldn't find one anywhere.
kieth has a proper one

[Kegsti66]

Here you go Kev, like I told you at Duxford you can see the rusty staining in these photos.
I threw everything you can think of at this carpet. Soaked in industrial cleaner, cillit bang, scrubbed with even a wire brush as well as blasted to death with a steam cleaner. Over all it came up well in the end. I did notice it is different to John Trinders carpet. Mine looks more industrial, John's looks more car carpet not left overs from an office re-fit.
Door cards are definitely the Holy Grail for S1 cars. I am in the process of trying to make something out of my old ones. I will do a thread on it soon. It will be a retro job mixing original bits with new.

[dralf1965]

Hi Kev

are those blue faced dials I can see? and a later ti steering wheel? Agree, those door cards are a pain in the b*m!
Going to be ready for Mitcar?

[justsuds]

re door cards, - was discussing this yesterday with a customer, series 2 door cards are exactly the same when you look at the back of them, - so I wondered if it would be possible to strip the covering off them ( a series 2 door card ) and recover in vinyl a la series 1, - I have some spare series 2 door cards.......
John

[KevJTD]

Hi Kev

are those blue faced dials I can see? and a later ti steering wheel? Agree, those door cards are a pain in the b*m!
Going to be ready for Mitcar?

dials are the early black ones mate, must just show up wrong on the pic. i have some S2 ones somewhere so did wonder if i'd fitted the wrong ones....
steering wheel is just one to hand, got a few. will search out the correct one. not sure which it is now!

[KevJTD]

re door cards, - was discussing this yesterday with a customer, series 2 door cards are exactly the same when you look at the back of them, - so I wondered if it would be possible to strip the covering off them ( a series 2 door card ) and recover in vinyl a la series 1, - I have some spare series 2 door cards.......
John

interesting point that john.
know that kieth will be interested to know that also.

i'll see if mine straighten out enough to use

[KevJTD]

can someone do me a favor please and point out what else i need to affix the door pull, guessing it goes something like the pic but probably a bracket or 2 missing to attach it all to the door.
at least i'll know what to look for then

[Kegsti66]

Hi John, thanks for the post.
One thing that a trimmer friend pointed out to me was that the process used to make the ribbed, triangular panel is a vinyl welding process to the backing board.We don't think it will retain its shape and definition if pulled off. Also, it would be hard to cover the moulded arm rest without creases. It would probably look nicer to just except series 2 trim panels fitted if a nice set could be found.

I plan to make some with a compromise using the welded panel, cut off my old panels and inserted as a feature. A separate trimmed arm rest will be stitched and attached to the new card (3mm ply card, covered in a suitable vinyl). My trimmer friend is rather busy at the moment so it hasn't happened yet. I will put up some pics as I want to make a start soon so that he can fit them into his work schedule. I know they will never be technically correct but it is all a compromise.

Kev, don't know if this photo helps but it looks like there is a metal rectangular "washer" to add support for the pull. My car only had two old bits of leather belt screwed to the door to make a crude pull.
Keith.

[KevJTD]

looking at that pic kieth it appears you have the smaller door pull covers rather than the bigger ones in my previous pic.
below is a pic of the ones i found, ignored the smaller ones as they didn't cover the whole hole in the door card, but maybe the cut out is for the door pull to go in behind the door pull cover?
thought there must be some kind of washer for the other mount point half way along as there is an indentaion where it's been fastened before. i'll have a look for them

incedentally mate i found a spare black plastic boot badeg cowling, fits between the badge and the boot, do you still need one?

[Alfa_Japan]

Sorry to hijack this amazing thread a bit, but everybody is dealing with the same problem called door cards. Series 1 & 2 door cards are as rare as hen's teeth and even if you're lucky enough to find something used or NOS they're warped and the rivet rings affected by rust.

On the "other" forum somebody opened a topic regarding reproduction of door cards quite some months ago. Since then no progress I suppose? Would it be an option to combine the needs of Sud owners worldwide and have some series 1 and series 2 door cards base plates made/reproduced in a material that's more warp & damage proof (with stainless steel rivet rings for example)? The upholstery of such base plates will of course be a tedious job, but if the base plates are there in an appropriate quality (one that doesn't warp, tear or otherwise rip) that may be a good start for quite some people.

Everybody is running into this same problem, potentially a combined effort will enable a more or less affordable option somehow?

Keep up the amazing job of restoring this lovely series 1 into its original glory.

[KevJTD]

Sorry to hijack this amazing thread a bit, but everybody is dealing with the same problem called door cards. Series 1 & 2 door cards are as rare as hen's teeth and even if you're lucky enough to find something used or NOS they're warped and the rivet rings affected by rust.

On the "other" forum somebody opened a topic regarding reproduction of door cards quite some months ago. Since then no progress I suppose? Would it be an option to combine the needs of Sud owners worldwide and have some series 1 and series 2 door cards base plates made/reproduced in a material that's more warp & damage proof (with stainless steel rivet rings for example)? The upholstery of such base plates will of course be a tedious job, but if the base plates are there in an appropriate quality (one that doesn't warp, tear or otherwise rip) that may be a good start for quite some people.

Everybody is running into this same problem, potentially a combined effort will enable a more or less affordable option somehow?

Keep up the amazing job of restoring this lovely series 1 into its original glory.

getting a group buy is by far the best idea, something we'd all benefit from i'm sure.
instead of us all individually trying to make the best of things a btach of new ones would be a great solution.
trouble is, would the expected high cost be acceptable to everyone?
i do have a spare one which i'd be willing to scarifice to a trimmer if there's enough interest?
if the guy who was supposed to be doing my headlining ever gets back to me i could make some enquiries...

[KevJTD]

sussed it.
needed the smaller door opener handle covers which luckily i had 2 to hand so cleaned the crud off them.
the door pull itself is held on via the door opener rear screw
door card is them placed over the pull and folded back to be used to pull the door card flush with the rear screw, a little plate with a protective edge on it holds it all on.
simply then fit all the other bits on.
the door card material, vinyl i guess, appears to have shrunk which is probably why the edges curl up rather than the backing going soggy, the screw holes aren't quite in line and appear to be stretching the card. i need to get some more countersunk washers to help stop the screws from trying to pull through.
given the rarity of these door cards i'm ok with the result.

i did actually try and train the curled up edges back into more shape. dampened the curly backing bits then laid the card flat on the bench and placed heavy weights on the curly bits so they stayed flat. i used a couple of car batteries but anything heavy would do. once dried overnight the card was way better than before although not perfect, but now useable i think.
i'm also going to make new fixings between the original holes so the spread of screws isn't so wide.

[Alfa_Japan]

Hello KevJTD, I suppose that depends on the costs involved? There's almost no sense in trying to find acceptable original cards. Besides warpage the rust to the rivet rings and damage to the chrome coloured trim are major issues and of course speaker holes and humidity damage.

Having a left and right hand base plate machined with CNC out of aluminium should be possible somehow (to be honest no idea of those costs, but potentially someone has some connections which would make that affordable). I'm definitely prepared to make CAD models with my limited skills for such base plates of course for free to start up such an initiative. With an aluminium CNC machined master model moulds could be made to cast some sort of warp resistant lightweight material that doesn't take up moisture for a small series production. Then finding the right graining for the base plate and finding the right upholstery would be the next hurdle to take, but since I see a gentleman from "JustSuds" replying to this thread there might be some sort of semi-commercial potential which in the end would help out the vast majority of Sud owners who are all experiencing the same problem.

At the moment it's hard to imagine what the costs would be and that leads to the fact that people can't make a judgment whether such an option would be affordable for them. A dedicated task force for this initiative could find out an indicative price and then check the interest available. I for sure need some door cards, but also have other bills to pay so depending on the price I would definitely be highly interested and willing to chip in where I can.

[Alfa_Japan]

Hello again KevJTD, searching the net for a while made me bump into the following link;
https://www.johnsclassiccougars.com/Sea ... asp?Cat=75

I suppose if the cards could be made out of ABS and would cost $80 per set as shown for the first card that would be a good way to start? I also found the following link where the "Kiwi" or "Sierra" vinyls might be somehow representative?
http://www.smsautofabrics.com/products/ ... /vinyl.php

This is just an initial search, a more profound search will surely bring about suppliers on this side of the ocean and potentially with better matching vinyl material?

[KevJTD]

progress on the sud over the weekend.......

well, i did sit in it

took the dials out again as the rev counter back light wasn't working. was going to leave it until i know nothing else needs mending but couldn't resist fiddling.

also twigged that the steering wheel isn't the correct S1 ti one, although i think someone esle mentioned this to me......

we're on the case to check the stock for the correct one or i'll have to make the alterations to the one i have.

at least i have the correct centre piece

[junior]

For getting edges of the door card to go back to shape I have found that using furniture wax (which is pretty inert) on the card, then putting it outside on a sunny day with a weight applied worked well.

At the same time the wax protects the staples and waterproofs the card. I did let the wax soften before I started.

[Kegsti66]

(Quote Kev )
Also twigged that the steering wheel isn't the correct S1 ti one, although i think someone esle mentioned this to me......

we're on the case to check the stock for the correct one or i'll have to make the alterations to the one i have.

at least i have the correct centre piece[/quote]


Kev, I have a spare one if you need it. It was on the car at Duxford. It has been blasted and painted as you saw.
I have decided to put the original wheel back on to keep it with the car. Got it off Shrew a while back.
Let me know if needed.

[KevJTD]

cheers mate, i'll let you know if we don't unearth one.
had a call this afternoon saying that there is a good chance that one has been found in the spares stash so hopefully we're ok, but appreciate the offer and will take you up on that if we struggle, cheers mate

[Kegsti66]

No probs, I got it off Shrew hoping it would have a thicker rim but it is the same as my original.
The one you have there looks a thicker rim, any ideas what model it is off?

[KevJTD]

as far as i know it's an S3 ti one mate, looks like the one VJM had.

if you want a ticker rimmed one i have a couple in the shed....

[Kegsti66]

Cheers Kev, I may take you up on that offer.

[KevJTD]

got a mountney one that has a 30mm thick rim, S3 one has a 25mm one.
also a momo one that has an oval section rim, 27mm x 35mm

[Kegsti66]

Hi Kev,
Just measured the S1 wheel and it seems to be about the same as the S3.
The photo you put up looks thicker, maybe it is just because it has leather around it.
Thinking about it, this may sound silly but is the rim circular rather than bevelled?
Also, wondered if you have any spare plastic clips that secure the bonnet prop. The one the prop locates into on the open bonnet, and when it is "parked" along the top of the inner wing. We have something at work but if I can get the proper ones it would be better. I have now got a refurbished prop to fit....
Cheers
Keith.

[Kilroy]

Hi,
Sorry if this is not the correct protocol for commenting on a posting - it is the first time that I have entered a discussion on a forum. I own a Series 1 'Sud TI in the same yellow/beige with blue interior combination, and I would be very interested to swap some pictures.
All the best,
Ian

[KevJTD]

Hi,
Sorry if this is not the correct protocol for commenting on a posting - it is the first time that I have entered a discussion on a forum. I own a Series 1 'Sud TI in the same yellow/beige with blue interior combination, and I would be very interested to swap some pictures.
All the best,
Ian

hi ian, and welcome.
your best bet would be to start a thread where you can put some pictures up of your car and people can/will comment and share stories etc with you.
if you posted some pics on this thread they'd got lost amongst other stuff.

if you wanted to just post pics then a thread started in the gallery section may be suitable, or just start a thread in this section.
either way i'm sure everyone will be very keen to see your car and hear the story of how you got it, myself included

[Kegsti66]

Welcome Ian,
As Kev said, start with a new thread.
We will all be pleased to here about another car and look forward to seeing it.
If you are refuring to the photo of the blue door card, I am afraid that was just a photo I found to try and help with a query. There are a couple of members on here though, who have similar coloured cars.
Looking forward to seeing your motor, is it a resto or on the road already. Can you make MITCAR ?
Keith.

[KevJTD]

good point about mitcar mr promotions manager

[Kegsti66]

Oh behave !!

[Kilroy]

Thanks for the welcome and advice on using the site. Someone has already started a relevant post that I will reply to and KevJTD has already commented on - I took my car to a Goodwood Breakfast Club meeting last year (a bit cheeky it was a "hot hatch" meeting!) and Sud 145 kindly posted a picture of it on this site. See "Tasty", posted on 5th October.
Hopefully we can pick up our conversation there.
All the best,
Ian

[KevJTD]

Thanks for the welcome and advice on using the site. Someone has already started a relevant post that I will reply to and KevJTD has already commented on - I took my car to a Goodwood Breakfast Club meeting last year (a bit cheeky it was a "hot hatch" meeting!) and Sud 145 kindly posted a picture of it on this site. See "Tasty", posted on 5th October.
Hopefully we can pick up our conversation there.
All the best,
Ian

no probs at all, glad you've found us